"Mercy is for the weak and the unprepared." I hunt Elk/Deer in Idaho and the shots Forums. The case length of the .300 Win Mag is a little longer. Here's what they need to do to get it right. Mag, 140 gr. As to case life; a competent handloader can get up to 10 reloads from brass handled properly. (139 at 3100) 9.0: 19.3: 11.8: 7mm Rem. The .300 Weatherby Magnum has a longer case length of 2.825" (71.76mm). We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. (I calculated on four different systems, and the results varied; these are the averages.) February 23, 2021. Left to right: 7mm RSAUM, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, 7mm STW, 7mm RUM. 5 and 7 slots. The 7mm Magnum is somewhat more expensive, but the difference wont break you. recoil; The results were pretty much as I expected. Les was a Wyoming gun nut, and outfitter, and I think they sent him an experimental rifle in the new caliber, and he loved it, and so they went with it. However, there was a very similar and much earlier version, released in 1912, the same year as the classic .375 H&H: Holland & Hollands .275 H&H Magnum. Thursday, March 18, 2021. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? 270 vs 280 Rem vs 280 AI vs 7mm Mag: Rifle Selection. Pretty amazing how the Montana stock soaks it up though. Mag..30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards.358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum.22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift.270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM.26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum.458 Win. 3. I shot a 270 for years think it's one of the best deer cartridges made.I did own a 270wsm for awhile and it performed well also.I now shoot a 7mm mag . Checking back through my records, the only one I can find that I owned I bought in 1974, and hunted with it, and thought it was OK and no better, and had it rebarreled to .338. The practical range of bullet weights for the .270 runs from 130 to 150, and thats about it. These include the .257, .270 and 7mm Weatherby Magnum cartridges. Mag. But at the opposite-and-equal-reaction end of that recoil is the bullet carrying 3,850 ft-lbs kinetic energy. In a 22-inch barrel, the former can be made to go 2,950 fps. vs. .300 Win. In my experience with both, if you use proper shooting technique with a decent stock, it's more than manageable. bullet will retain 1,000 ft-lbs clear out at 830 yards. The 7mm rem mag appeals to me as a calibre suitable for longer range targets, over 400m sort of thing where the 7mm rem mag has nearly double the kinetic energy of the .270. We've got you covered..22-250 Remington vs. .204 Ruger .25-06 Remington vs. 6.5 Creedmoor .444 Marlin vs. .45-70 Government7x57mm Mauser vs. .280 Remington.300 Win. are the most popular magnums among the .270 and 7mm cartridges, and with good reason; both offer sensible ballistics which can be managed by most shooters without being overly hard on your barrel. A tie. The rimless case uses a 35-degree shoulder for headspacing, and minimal body taper to maximize case capacity. The latter round is a tad more powerful; so little, though, that any advantage to it lies in the fevered imagination of the user. Mag. A .435 B.C. Here are a couple of magnum cartridges in two very popular bore diameters, each of which have a devoted group of followers. The .270 can be made to work very well in a 22-inch barrel, which I consider to be an advantage. Mag. Topping out at 150 grainswhile the 7mms can go all the way to 175 grainshas long limited the flexibility of the bore diameter. Both rounds, it should be noted, have reputations for fine accuracy. Comparing the .270 with the 7mm Remington magnum is like comparing grits and white cornmeal. For me, the .270 is a great deer rifle, and can work in lighter rifles, with 22-inch barrels, and moderate recoil, using lighter bullets. It will still have plenty of energy for mule deer and is why thousands of hunters use the 270 Win and 270 The 5 Best Low Recoil Shotguns Ever Made. One was a 7mm I'd go with the 7mm Rem Mag, even though belted cartridges are somewhat of an anachronism. At 500 yards the 7mms ballistic advantage begins to matter with nearly 10 inches less drop than the .270, 6 inches less than the .300. When he showed it to people they became hushed, and a few wept openly. Using the 150-grain bullet as a model, in a 7-pound rifle, the .270 Winchester produces about 13 foot pounds of recoil, which is not much. Ruger will reintroduce the Marlin 336 this year. recoil; 7mm Rem. 270 Montana (6#7oz) is a bit snappy compared to my 7RM (8#1oz) Smack vs a punch maybe. Mag. The 7mm Remington uses the H&H belt for headspacing, though reloaders can adjust the case length to get it to rest on the 25-degree shoulder, and neck is long enough (0.271 inches) to give good tension. In the table below rifle weight is given in pounds, free recoil energy is given in foot pounds, and free recoil velocity is given in feet-per-second. Youll eventually find something that shoots super groups. In fact, these two are the most popular magnum cartridges among the .270 and 7mm cartridges, and with good reason; both offer sensible ballistics which can be managed One thing to consider is the chance of hunting larger game . David E. Petzal has a reputation for producing stiff recoil, especially in lightweight hunting rifles. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. The rest of the load was CCI 250 primers and 68 grains of the old Hodgdon 4831 powder. The 270 Winchester tops out at about 3050fps with a 140gr. bullet: 21.7 ft. lbs. Using the 160-grain bullet, an 8 pound 7mm Rem Mag churns up around 20. Mag. Meanwhile, recoil is about 14 percent less than a 180-grain Accubond .300 WSM and 16 percent less than a 180-grain Accubond .300 Win. If approved, the bill would also ban lead Sign up for the Field & Stream newsletter and get the latest intelligence straight to your inbox. Considerable edge to the .270. I pulled it off of a ballistic chart for Remington core-lokt ammo using a 130gr 270 bullet vs 140gr for the 7mm mag IIRC it showed 984ft/lbs for 270 and 1200 and something for the 7mm mag @ 500yds Yours looks to be 150gr ballistics for the 270 The 7mm Rem Mag has enough power, using 140 grain bullets it will drop deer at 500 yards. I consider this an unfair advantage.). The cartridge was loaded with 150-grain bullets at 3050 fps and 175-grain slugs at 2850. The most startling result is that the .270 WSM kicks so hard. Windage differences are still within 2 inches. bullet: 23.6 ft. lbs. That reputation is warranted. When I wanted a 7mm magnum, I went for the 7mm Weatherby, which packs a lot more horsepower than the Remington. That velocity does come at a price, and recoil can be an issue in a less-than-perfectly-stocked rifle, but most shooters can manage the 7mm Mag.s recoil. Five hundred yards is a stretch for a 300 WSM, a 7mm Rem. But the thing is, a 7-pound .270 is perfectly shootable, but a 7-pound 7mm Rem Mag will not make you a happy camper. In objective terms (someone has a recoil calcultor out there somewhere), 7mm Rem Mag is very similar to the .30-06. Comparing these two, the velocities of equal bullet weights up to 150 grains are so close as to be a non-issue. You could shoot both of them until the gun goes supernova and not see one. The 7mm Rem Mag overall length is slightly smaller than the .300 Win Mag 3.34 inches against 3.29 inches. (I calculated on four different systems, and the results varied; these are the averages.) Mag. Herein lies something of a mystery. I have yet to have a case separation in my Browning 7mm rem mag. When someone gave me a substantial quantity of once fired 7mm brass, I found that I had to collect size it, just to get it to chamber in my #1. And it had very little recoil. Mag., substantially more than the old 270 Win. are great cartridges, but which one is better? Being derived from the H&H case, there is plenty of case capacity, and the 7mm Remington Magnum will send the heavy 175-grain bullets at a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps or so, depending on the manufacturer, and the speed only increases as the bullets get lighter. Its very hard to give a solid figure because there are so many variables involved, but using chrome-moly barrels for both cartridges, Id say 2,500 rounds will pretty well shoot out a 7mm Remington Mag, and 3,000 will do it for a .270. The 160s leave the muzzle at 2950 fps, the 150s at 3100 fps and the 140s are cruising at 3150 fps. I freely confess that Ive had a ton of experience with the .270 and very little with the 7mm Remington Magnum. If you can tote a rifle that comes in at around 10 lbs ready to rock AND it fits you well, no worries. The 7mm-08 wins the lightest recoil title here. Using 160 grain bullets it will take elk at 500 yards as well. 2021 Camden Media. Based on everything Ive written above, Ill take the flatter trajectory of the 270 WSM and the lighter recoil But it was not what it was cracked up to be. Both cartridges are models of deportment. Both rounds, it should be noted, have reputations for fine accuracy. Another factor that helped the 7mm Rem Mag was the fact that in 1962, hardly anyone had a chronograph, and if you did, using it was a major pain. I have two 7mm rem mags--a #1 and an A-bolt--and they feel, to me, just like an -06. The best weight for the .270 is 150. There was a 130-grain load that did around 3,000 fps, and a 150-grain bullet that made 2,900 with a strong following wind. By In a 7-pound rifle it will recoil with a velocity of 13.57 fps and energy of 20.04 f-p. These are just a few. by Philip Massaro - .270 versus 7mm Rem Mag Warren Page, during his historic tenure as Field & Streams shooting editor, did most of his hunting with only two rifles. As far as bullets by themselves are concerned, the 7mm has a big advantage. It drops deer in their tracks. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and moredelivered directly to your Inbox. As you can see, the.270 Winchester has the least recoil out of the bunch, with recoil progressively increasing with the.280 Remington,.280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum. The cartridge had just enough bullet weight to take on any North American big game except the big bears. Nonetheless, the world would become intimately familiar with the Remington design, and the .275 H&H would be lost to the annals of cartridge history. The .277 diameter that Winchester thought up a long time ago is something of an odd duck, and has never been used for match shooting. In fact, these two are the most popular magnum cartridges among the .270 and 7mm cartridges, and with good reason; both offer sensible ballistics which can be managed Remingtons 7mm Magnum shares the same case length2.500 inchesas the Winchester trio of the .264, .338 and .458 Winchester Magnums released just a few years earlier. Head to Head: .270 WSM vs. 7mm Rem. Read Next: 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .308 Winchester. If you can detect these differences, youre more sensitive than I, especially with a buck in your sights. Theres no difference. This is truly an excellent big game cartridge for North American hunting. On average youll need a heavier 7mm bullet which will produce more recoil IN AN ULTRALIGHT rifle like the one Im putting together for this project. If the limbsaver makes a world of difference then I might have to look into it. 2. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM..284 bullets to fit the bores of all 7mm cartridges come in a wide variety of shapes and weights from 100 grains to 180 grainsadequate for everything from coyotes to big bears. vs. .340 Wby. The 7mm Remington Magnum was a raging success, and killed everything everywhere. Long, long ago, I cast my vote for the .270 and have never looked back. When the Remington magnum was developed, it was by no means the first such round in .284. With the right ammo, the 270 Win. However, there was a very similar and much earlier version, released in 1912, the same year as the classic .375 H&H: Holland & Hollands .275 H&H Magnum. With a 2.100-inch case length and a cartridge overall length of 2.860 inches, the .270 WSM is perfectly suited to a short-action, giving the shooter a lightweight rifle with a rigid action. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Mag..375 Ruger vs. .375 H&H Magnum7mm-08 Remington vs. .280 Remington .280 Remington vs. .280 Ackley Improved 7mm vs. .30 Caliber6.5 Weatherby RPM vs. 6.5 PRC.338 Win. In the 1950s, prominent gunwriters such as Les Bowman and Warren Page clamored for a fast 7mm. Ballistically (at least to 300 yards or so) the 30-06 in a comparable bullet weight is very similar. The 270 WSM produces 5-7% less recoil than the 7mm Rem Mag loads presented even though my Carbon Summit is 9 ounces lighter than my Ultralight Weatherby. There is no doubt that the 7mm Rem Mag pushing 160-gr boattail bullets, is a superior 300 to 400 yard rifle to the factory .270, .280 or .30-06 shooting anything with reasonable pressures. Most of us (not all) can learn to handle or at least tolerate the recoil level of, say, a .338 Win. Remingtons 7mm Magnum shares the same case length2.500 inchesas the Winchester trio of the .264, .338 and .458 Winchester Magnums released just a few years earlier. Mag. Holland & Hollands engineers saw the wisdom of the 7mm Remington Magnum concept back in 1912, and it remains a sound one to this day. (These are real-world figures from my own chronographing.) The real difference, if there is such a thing, is that the 7mm Rem Mag is not truly a magnum, and that the .270, which makes no pretenses at magnumhood, may well be. The .270 WSM and 7mm Rem. Using the 150-grain bullet as a model, in a 7-pound rifle, the .270 Winchester produces about 13 foot pounds of recoil, which is not much. Simply put, a 175-grain 7mm handles the larger species better than a 150-grain .277-inch-diameter will, and both are equally effective on lighter game. It depends more on the rifle than on the cartridge, but Id give the edgea razor-thin oneto the 7, only because you can choose from such a dizzying range of bullets. It measures 2.62 inches The 7mm Rem Mag is 2.5 inches. The 7mm Remington Magnum came first, released in 1962, and can be thought of as a part of the series of belted magnums based on the .375 H&H case, shortened to fit in a .30-06-length action released in the 1950s and 60s. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to:[emailprotected], For questions/comments aboutAmerican Hunter magazine, please e-mail:[emailprotected], You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. Mag. Those rifles would shoot. and other magnums, in that a 200-yard zero will require six inches of elevation to hit the 300-yard bullseye, and 17 inches to hit at 400 yards. Seven millimeter, however, is one of the most popular sizes, and theres plenty of 7mm rifles that are used in competition, so there are oodles of target-grade bullets out there, including some that can be used for hunting. Though it called for a projectile of .288-inch diameter, the .275 H&H looks an awful lot like the 7mm Remington Magnum, which would come around a half-century later, though the former has a greater body taper. Winchester certainly bettered the velocity of its 1925 release, but the bullet weights remained the same. If you can tote a rifle that comes in at around 10 lbs ready to rock AND it fits you well, no worries. But which makes the better choice for hunters? should be as accurate as the 7mm Rem. People who bought the 7 mag beheld the fat case and the word magnum on the box and assumed that they had the Real Deal. All rights reserved. Both are excellent cartridges. The 7mm Remington Magnum came first, released in 1962, and can be thought of as a part of the series of belted magnums based on the .375 H&H case, shortened to fit in a .30-06-length action released in the 1950s and 60s. .270 versus 7mm Rem Mag. vs. .300 Wby. I pulled it off of a ballistic chart for Remington core-lokt ammo using a 130gr 270 bullet vs 140gr for the 7mm mag IIRC it showed 984ft/lbs for 270 and 1200 and something for the 7mm mag @ 500yds Yours looks to be 150gr ballistics for the 270 The Winchester Short Magnum series debuted in 2001 with the .300 Winchester Short Magnum, but just a year later Winchester announced the arrival of the .270 WSM. Mag. On average, the 7mm Rem Mag rounds show 300 more FPS velocity than the .30-06 rounds out to 300 yards and nearly 400 extra fps on average than the .30-06 rounds at 400 and 500 yards showing that they maintain their velocities at a better rate than the .30-06 rounds. Lets take a closer look at each and compare and contrast their attributes. Popular bullet choices range from the 120-grain bullets up to the 175-grain heavyweights, with the 140-, 150- and 160-grain choices being the most common. Because the two rounds are so popular, everyone loads for them, and theres a whopping choice of bullets. If you want significantly less recoil than the 300 WSM, get the 270 Win. (Les was also stone deaf. In my experience with both, if you use proper shooting technique with a decent stock, it's more than manageable. .270 Win, 130 gr. For the 7mm, it goes from 140 grains to 175 grains, with all sorts of stops in between. He heard less than I do. The 7mm Rem. Based on everything Ive written above, Ill take the flatter trajectory of the 270 WSM and Using the 160-grain bullet, an 8 pound 7mm Rem Mag churns up around 20. The .270 Winchester vs. 7mm Rem Mag: Recoil. Mag..300 RSAUM vs. .300 WSM .500 Jeffrey vs. .505 Gibbs7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM.308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington.303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser.30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s.17 HMR vs. .17 WSM.450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express350 Legend vs. .35 Remington.280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Zwirz cut out the group and kept it in his wallet. is beginning to assert its trajectory superiority here with a 5-inch advantage over the .270 Win. Read Next: The 12 Best Cartridges for Elk Hunting. E.L., Feb 7, 2009 #10. A bit more than the 7mm Rem. The 7mm Rem Mag is going to top out at about 3250fps with the 140gr bullet. I seem to recall that a gun writer named Les Bowman had something to do with Remingtons effort. recoil.270 WSM, 150 gr. vs. .458 Lott7mm Rem. In fact, the first sub-MOA group I ever saw from a big-game rifle was shot by a gun writer named Bob Zwirz with a 700 in 7 mag. All recoil values have been rounded off to one decimal place. Using the 160-grain bullet, an 8 pound 7mm Rem Mag churns up around 20. Privacy Policy Contact Us Warnings FAQs 2021 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express, .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, .270 Winchester Short Magnum vs. 7mm Remington Magnum, Grand Canyon National Park Seeks Volunteers for Bison Reduction, 8 Best Places for Trophy Mule Deer Hunting in North America, The Effects of Bullet Shape at Hunting Ranges, 2021 National Rifle Association of America. Some 7mm Rem Mags are given 26-inch barrels, and anyone who is nuts enough to hunt with such an abomination is welcome to do so. Neither presents any special problems. The recoil of the .270 WSM is about on par with other medium-bore magnums; in an ill-fitting rifle it can be snotty, but in a proper rifle it isnt terrible. It had enough velocity to make hitting easy at what was then considered long range.

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