Most opinion is not to shoot these because of documented failures due to improperly heat treatment. were still awaited rise activist federal judiciary. There is considerable data out there on the Santa Fe/National Ordnance M1903A3 clones which feature a cast, rather than forged, receiver. About 2,500 copies were assembled in … Especially for the technical article.. Up for auction is: a National Ordnance Model 1903A3. Description: On consignment we have a National Ordnance 1903-A3 rifle in .30-06. I'd fire a "low numbered" 03 long before I shot one of those! Although a less than desireable substitute for original 03 receivers, the Nat. NATIONAL ORDNANCE .30-06 1903-A3, 24” barrel, 5 shot, scant stock, all GI parts except the receiver, the action is very smooth, vg to excellent condition, should make a good shooter, not a C&R rifle $450.00 I am not an FFL holder and I won’t ship to any dealer that requires me to have one, I prefer USPS Money Orders, shipping for this rifle will be $35.00, a 3 day non … RIA M1903 370,000 range information/value? This rifle is in need of a stock. $12.50. Stock was a scant type with ugly varnish and a painted black handguard. When firing any rifle, wear quality eye protection. This is a used firearm and as such the buyer agrees to have this firearm checked … 'Scant'-style stock. For those not aware of the controversy surrounding them, the National Ordnance 1903 was made using surplus parts on a cast steel receiver. Collecting aside, the .30 caliber carbine M1 is just plain fun to shoot, for some of the same reasons it was popular during WWII. In the book The Springfield 1903 rifles by Lt. Col. William S. Brophy, USAR, Ret., he discusses the National Ordnance 03A3 rifles. Remington, maybe? I have heard some people say they are dangerous and dont shoot them and i have heard people say they have shot thousands of rounds in them with no … On the basis of my examination the "do not shoot… I own 2 beautiful M-1 Garands, and just recently bought a 1903A3 ( which I have not had the privilege to shoot yet. It has a 1943 USGI barrel on it and it is an absolute tack driver even with the cheap Korean 30-06. Those considering an 03 purchase should also be aware of Sante Fe and National Ordnance rifles. Joined: Dec 29, 2006 Messages: 10,684 Location: Alabama. Password: Rifles Misc All rifles not covered elsewhere! Senior Member . FMJ: 2819 : 2.13 : UMC 150-gr. 1903/A3/A4 rifles manufactured by Remington and 1903A3 rifles manufactured by Smith Corona are not affected and are considered safe to fire as long as they are inspected by a competent gunsmith as they should still be checked for proper headspace, bolt setback etc. funny thing, its a Nat Ord...proves my point, thats the 4th one iv seen that was in bits, … Hi, I'm looking at a 1943 1903-A3 and was wondering if they are all safe to shoot or are there some that were not treated properly (similar to low number 1903s). Natl Ord 1903A3 question I have come into possession of one of these rifles. It consists of a post WWII National Ordnance receiver and mostly surplus USGI parts. Other Handguns. 1903a3 made by national ordnance serial number 5013358 what year was it made in and how much is it worth? Ord. The receiver is cast, not forged, and generally, Santa Fe, Federal Ordnance, Golden State Arms, and National Ordnance 1903A3's are considered worth the sum of their GI parts. The 1903A3 displayed a lower level of detail work and finish--machine marks are obvious on the receivers and barrels--and they received a rough, Parkerized finish. The Remington barrel was made during WWII but is still strong & bright. There is much debate over the safety of these rifles. $9.95 . I recently purchased one of these as a non-shooter parts source. I'll try to summarize. Both were located in El Monte, California and Federal followed National's closing. Gunsmithing. Our Assessment: This National Ordinance Model 1903A3 was made between 1963 and 1970. This included a prefixing program for duplicate SNs, but using a “Z” prefix, and then requiring the stamping machine be set … and the guy being a smart ars, posted some pics, of a A3 that failed. The 1903A3 would make a great addition to the gun safe of any military classics lover. National Ordinance 03A3. Are all 1903-A3s safe to shoot (serial number wise). I have a national ordnance 1903a3 as well, bought it for a paltry sum and I haven't had it blow up when shooting lake city or m2 ball stuff. $162.50. The rifle did a lot better than me. To test for brittleness, remove … Lot's of discussion one answer. Both were located in South El Monte, CA. The U.S. had provided the parts and barrels to Britain as support for the U.S. M1 carbines also provided to Britain. In the book The Springfield 1903 rifles by Lt. Col. William S. Brophy, USAR, Ret., he discusses the National Ordnance 03A3 rifles. parts. [Archive] 1903a3 - National Ordnance CMP Bolt Action Rifles. Have fun! I bought an '03 sporter for $175 and converted it into a 1903A4 clone - with C stock, Weaver 330 scope, redfield rings. The 1903A3 would make a great addition to the gun safe of any military classics lover. More like "blindingly impressive" good deal. Barrel marked R A over flaming bomb over 5-44. I recently saw a collector who listed his 03's and 03A3's and included as part of his grouping of firearms a National rifle. some say, they are ok to shoot...i say the are very unsafe... i posted a comment to this on another part of the milsurps forum. We have to worry that people this ignorant play with guns at all! I plan to shoot the 1903a3 with commercial ammo or handloads that are equal or less than commercial pressures.....I will get the head space checked by a competent gunsmith and also buy go no go gauges.....should I see the head space increase....the gun will be sold to … Gun is in very good condition. In September/October 1962, before production of the 1903A3 rifles commenced, the differences between Arnold and Penney regarding the future of National Ordnance motivated them to go their separate ways. Ordnance … M1903 with 'scant' stock (1942): in late 1941, before the 1903A3 was standardized, Army Ordnance wanted to standardize on a pistol-grip stock for all M1903 rifles. Most opinion is not to shoot these because of documented failures due to improperly heat treatment. S/N is 5001400. Springfield 1903 Stock Sling Swivel Milled Marked Y. Yeah it doesn't have a stripper clip guide and it's not exactly pretty like a govt built one but it's not bad for being 300ish bucks. With a new to you rifle, go to a reputabe gunsmith and have the headspace , firing pin, etc. Watch this American Rifleman "At The Range" video segment above to learn about the Remington manufactured M1903 and M1903A3 bolt-action rifles of World War 2. Thanks for the replies and advice so far. 05-26-2019, 02:39 PM. In view of the safety risk, the Ordnance Department withdrew from active service all “low-number” Springfields. I paid $600.00 for this Remington 1903A3 five years ago. I recently saw a collector who listed his 03's and 03A3's and included as part of his grouping of firearms a National rifle. There were thousands of stock blanks that had been sized for the old straight stock. cast receivers were given a favorable report after a proof house test of three random receivers in 1963. From what I've heard, some of those had headspace set at the longest it could go or a little longer. Also ther is not much talk of springfields and custom rifles.Is this because of cost ,availability, etc. ?? This National Ordnance Model 1903A3 is a bolt action rifle chambered in 30-06. I recall a firm in the early 70's making 1903A3 Springfields on after market cast recievers as well as M1 carbines using mostly GI parts . Gas handling not 03/03-A3 strong suit. Posts: 18 I just found and purchased a National Ordinance '03 A3 at a gun show over the weekend. U.S. Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper, WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum, Appraisals, Fakery, Dispute Resolution & Mediation Forum, National Ordance 1903a3 Reciver, Are they safe to shoot, **** Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper ****, The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum, The Semi-Automatic Bren LMG (Light Machine Gun), The Ross Rifle Knowledge Library Collectors Forum, M1 Garand/M14/M1A Picture of the Day Forum, Other Military Service Pistols and Revolvers, ~Angel~'s 'Match Making' Service (REPLY ONLY), Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps. Many features/failings common. Messages: 11,766 Likes Received: 2,391. 1903 1903a3 Springfield Striker Rod Remington New Old … I sleep at night just fine. Rifles. We do not test fire guns. Both were located in El Monte, California and Federal followed National's closing. Federal Ordnance and National Ordnance, the first was the parts and ammo dept. It is NOT a USGI 1903A3, but rather a cast, commercial receiver with USGI parts attached...view them similarly to kit built rifles like FAL's and Century's CETME's, but done in the 60's. Unfortunately we cannot tell exactly when this rifle was made so, … Eventually, the Ordnance Dept. recognized the folly of the foregoing, and on August 11, 1943 reinstated serial number control. A company named Golden State Arms built 1903 rifles using investment cast receivers made in Yugoslavia and surplus 1903 parts. Apr 26, 2013 #2. Another description was low alloy steels, or triple alloy steels. He continued production of the M1 carbine, under the Alpine name. National Ordnance was a predecessor to Federal Ordnance I believe. 1903 development based on captured Spanish M-95 Mausers. … I have a National Ordnance 1903a3. Marked National Ordnance and I think I recall a brief stint at 1911AA1's by them too in the mid 70's Might have been two separate enterprises though.. Just my two cents Be safe :cool _____ There's no such thing as an improperly heat treated 1903A3 as they came from the manufacturer. It is being sold as a project or gunsmith special.The bluing is 99%. Joined: Mar 27, 2003 Messages: 3,671 Location: Okay City. Not know number equal to many. Remington M1903 3,150,000 range questions? ... 30.06 . During WWII these were called National Emergency (NE) steels. National Ordnance sold their M1 carbines with these barrels for a number of months. Eventually, the Ordnance Dept. Ordnance are just fine to shoot. While they may be good shooting, safe rifles, they … I own 2 beautiful M-1 Garands, and just recently bought a 1903A3 ( which I have not had the privilege to shoot yet. If there is anything else to keep in mind, keep it coming! Reloading & Wildcats. They also didn't depend on some guy's intuition to tell when the steel was "right" in the finishing processes. Indeed, National Ordnance used spare Remington parts left over from the war. The 03A3's came to the front in the early 40's. The receiver is cast, not forged, and generally, Santa Fe, Federal Ordnance, Golden State Arms, and National Ordnance 1903A3's are considered worth the sum of their GI parts. Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm pretty new to 1903 rifles. The rear sight has dings in it, but they are … (for those not aware, it was a parts gun built on GI surplus parts with a foreign made receiver and assembled on El Monteray, CA) I had an interesting time fixing mine up. Sporterized M1903 witrh Santa Fe barrel? My question is is the 03 action whethter it be National Ordinance or Springfield, is it suitable for that round. BIG difference in the finished (steel) product. Velocity is the average of five rounds measured 15 feet from the guns muzzle with a PACT chronograph. During repeated firing, the barrels "blew up". Several gun oriented firms including National Ordinance, purchased a great number of parts and set to building 1903-A3 rifles using investment cast receivers. I'd load one round at a time during week nights, and shoot them all on Sunday . These companies manufactured rifles with surplus GI parts and new cast recievers. 08-28-2004, 05:22 AM #12: Rick the Librarian. The barrel is 17" long. Gallery. The only exception might be a refurbed welded drill rifle. Please contact us with any questions, or for purchase options. Penney took the Alpine name, all of the personnel that had been National Ordnance, the M1 Garands, and moved to a different facility at 964 W Foothill Blvd in Azusa. They discovered the problem with using stress proof steel when a number of employees went recreational shooting in the desert during a weekend. Several gun oriented firms including National Ordinance, purchased a great number of parts and set to building 1903-A3 rifles using investment cast receivers. national ordnance model 1903a3 30-06-springfield bolt action rifle description: this is a national ordnance model 1903a3 30-06-springfield bolt action rifle the barrel is stamped “ra bomb 7-44” bore of the 24" two-groove barrel is bright, shiny and … ... and shoot accurately, it is worth the value of the USGI parts. This included a prefixing program for duplicate SNs, but using a “Z” prefix, and then requiring the stamping machine be set … They weren't deep enough for the full pistol grip of the Type C stock, so they were modified to allow a "scant" grip that was the … CMP Forums > CMP Sales > CMP Bolt Action Rifles ... "Buyer is solely responsible for determining that a used gun is safe to shoot. Established in the Tudor period, it had its headquarters in the Tower of London.Its primary responsibilities were 'to act as custodian of the lands, depots and forts required for the defence of the realm and its overseas possessions, and as the supplier of munitions and equipment to both the Army and the Navy'. Came … If a USGI receiver, yes. The action is smooth. The safety of these rifles is suspect and they hold almost no collector value except the sum of the GI parts they were put together with. View Full Version : Are all 1903-A3s safe to shoot (serial number wise)? National Ordnance was a predecessor to Federal Ordnance I believe. I have to echo the sentiments of one of earlier posters at the site linked to, poor guy might have gotten a "contussion". I bought an '03 sporter for $175 and converted it into a 1903A4 clone - with C stock, Weaver 330 scope, redfield rings. Single-Action Revolvers. /instantly jealous Dionysusigma, Apr 14, 2010 #6. $19.99. The Model 1903A3 In 1942 a simple aperture rear sight replaced the complicated M1905 sight, and the rifle's designation became the U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model 1903A3. CMP Program Headquarters P.O. Range Reports - Show us how good you are. Although a less than desireable substitute for original 03 receivers, the Nat. CZguy, Apr 14, 2010 #5. An additional 1000 … I have a National Ordnance Carbine that I purchased in Cali some 30 years ago. The good news is they used USGI parts. 1903 1903a3 Springfield Bushing For The Trigger Guard Screw New Old Stock . Mine's just fine... no ruptured or bulged cases and no case head separations. Ordnance are just fine to shoot. Early 03's motor, not 03A3's, and this according to the what I read above, isn't either them, it's a National Ordnance copy. Some of their receivers were heat treated to be brittle as glass. recognized the folly of the foregoing, and on August 11, 1943 reinstated serial number control. I know it's not "the real McCoy" but this one was the … upper handguard, but it died some years ago. And weren't many barrels for rebuilds supplied by Johnson Automatics ("JA" stamp at the muzzle), or am I thinking of M1917s? The '03's were made using metallurgy state of the art circa 1903. It's one of my favorite shooters. And the second was complete firearms and receivers. Saw it at the pawn shop for $180 and they wouldn't budge on price. Ordnance was owned by a man by the name of John Arnold, I knew him slightly, just enough to say hello when I went to his businesses, At the time I was doing business with Nat Ord, I remember being told the receiver casting was being done … Paper Sighting Device Vtg Old M 1903 Springfield M1 Garand Carbine Sight Stock. national ordnance 1903 thanks for the reply. iv been flaming these POS of a wanna be rifles for years, telling guys not to shoot them. Bore looked good, headspace was OK (I brought gauges),action was fulll of sand, finish was ugly. The Board of Ordnance was a British government body. Fed Ord went out of business in the 1990s. Winchester USA 147-gr. The only known issue to note is some light surface oxidation on the bolt handle. Some say they're fine, others say they're dangerous. Product liability laws, etc. Springfield Armory selected a small number of Model 1903A3 Remington and Smith Corona (SC) rifles four or six groove barrels for modification to National Match configuration to determine their suitability for competitive shooting prior to large scale … Who, or what, are these rifles marked National Ordnance(?) As manufactured they are all correctly heat-treated and without exception are safe to shoot. A company named Golden State Arms built 1903 rifles using investment cast receivers made in Yugoslavia and surplus 1903 parts. This is kinda OT for a M1 Carbine thread, but I have a Nat'l Ordnance 1903A3 and I got it cheap. One word of caution. After WW2 (50's and 60's) some "M1903A3's" were assembled by private companies using aftermarket, foreign, cast metal receivers and GI parts for the rest. They are made from 8620 steel. As an example of the first couple years at National Ordnance, the first 1000 M1 carbines assembled by National Ordnance were with Winchester parts, Winchester barrels, and Winchester I cut stocks they purchased from Britain. Will try not use many words in reply. Joined: Apr 7, 2009 Location: Tulsa Rating 100%. For those not aware of the controversy surrounding them, the National Ordnance 1903 was made using surplus parts on a cast steel receiver. This rifle features a National Ordnance cast receiver with military walnut stock and buttplate, Remington barrel from June of 1944, and comes fitted with a leather sling. 1903 cone headed bolt/breech designed to give very reliable feeding. The receiver was a casting National had made for the rifle as there were few, if any spare receivers at Remington after the war. The action is tight but i have not checked the headspace as of yet. Description: This is essentially a postwar copy of the Remington-manufactured 1903A3 rifle produced during World War 2. The price was in my “screw it - I’ll buy it” range: $250. National Ordnance was the predecessor to Federal Ordnance. FMJ : 2771: 1.75 : Notes: Accuracy is the average of three, five-shot groups fired from a benchrest. The barrels cracked lengthwise along the channels for the slide, between the receiver and gas … 1944-Vintage 1903A3 At The Range: Factory Load : Velocity (fps) 100-Yard Accuracy (in.) Hi, I'm looking at a 1943 1903-A3 and was wondering if they are all safe to shoot or are there some that were not treated properly (similar to low number 1903s). ... National Ordnance 6M 1903A3 info? For marksmanship training, competitions, National Matches, safety information and youth marksmanship. By newcastle in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum, By John Kepler in forum The Watering Hole OT (Off Topic) Forum, By chuckindenver in forum M1903/1903A3/A4 Springfield Rifle, By michaelxhacken in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum, By Cantom in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum. The 1903A3 by National Ordnance is a bolt action rifle chambered in .30-06 with a 5 round capacity. The Nat. Marked National Ordnance and I think I recall a brief stint at 1911AA1's by them too in the mid 70's Might have been two separate enterprises though.. Just my two cents Be safe :cool _____ Very risky, if you ask me. Ord. Manufactured by Remington Arms (RA) in 1943 and modified by the Springfield Armory in 1954 to National Match (NM) configuration. I'll try to summarize. Built in the 1960's and early 1970's, these rifle were constructed with new commercially-made National Ordnance receivers and surplus U.S.G.I. The M1903 Springfield, formally the United States Rifle, Caliber .30-06, Model 1903, is an American five-round magazine fed, bolt-action service repeating rifle, used primarily during the first half of the 20th century.. Anyone know the scoop on this Springfield that is marked 'NATL ORD'? Some dealers, whether decietfully or honestly … In addition to the above cautions, every firearm should be examined carefully before firing it. Join Date: Jan 2004. This National Ordnance 1903A3 is the perfect rifle for someone who wants a representative example of the WW2 issue Springfield 1903A3 rifle that they can shoot and enjoy. Led4thehed2. I recall a firm in the early 70's making 1903A3 Springfields on after market cast recievers as well as M1 carbines using mostly GI parts . 1903A3 with Sants Fe receiver safe to shoot? It has a 1943 USGI barrel on it and it is an absolute tack driver even with the cheap Korean 30-06. The Nat. I recently purchased a fantastic condition National Ordnance 1903a3 from a local shop. Seller Description. There is considerable data out there on the Santa Fe/National Ordnance M1903A3 clones which feature a cast, rather than forged, receiver. Having owned one defective National Ordnance … The U.S. M1903 and M1903A3 “Springfield” rifles military issue bolt action rifles, used during World War I, World War II, and the Korean War. :D. M1903A3's are low risk. 1903a3 Bolt Sleeve Lock New Old Stock Part Remington Qty 25 Pack. Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm pretty new to 1903 rifles. Is the documentation similar to Hatchers on the low number 1903 rifles, and available on the internet? This is by far the cleanest looking 1903A3 I have ever seen an I really did not know what the significance of the National Ordinance recieved was until after the deal was done. Hopefully you didn't pay as much for that rifle as a USGI 1903 … The price was in my “screw it - I’ll buy it” range: $250. This should make for a nice looking, hard hitting rifle. cast receivers were given a favorable report after a proof house test of three random receivers in 1963. They used cast receivers that varied widely in quality (dimensions and heat treatment). It is a requirement that every used firearm is inspected by a qualified gunsmith before firing." Markings on bottom of M1903 receiver? National Ordnance 1903A3 Discussion in 'Military Surplus ... but was hoping someone here might have some ideas as to the safety. Thanks Apr 26, 2013 #2. I recently purchased a fantastic condition National Ordnance 1903a3 from a local shop. I now there are probably better choices of actions but I like the nastalgia of the … Looking at forum posts, there seems to be a general theme - someone asks if they’re decent and … Slamfire Member. National Ordinance 1903A3 User Name: Remember Me? How to Use Classifieds - PLEASE READ FIRST ! During WWII, however, the urgent need for rifles resulted in the rebuilding and reissuing of many “low-number” as well as “high-number” Springfields. Buy National Ordnance 1903 A3 .30-06 Springfield 1903A3 With Sling C&R OK: GunBroker is the largest seller of Bolt Action Rifles Rifles Guns & Firearms All: 887665905 LinkBack: Thread Tools: Display Modes: 01-26-2004, 21:01 #1: J-Bud54 . These were the only M1 carbine… 09-25-2019, ... Or used surplused 1903/1903A3 barrels with the gas system welded on. NSSF's Ryan Cleckner shows you how to properly set up your rifle and scope combination so that it naturally aligns with your eye. I worked 6 days a week and 12 -15 hours each. No collector value. Other aspects of design intended to avoid patent issues. I have a National Ordanance 1903a3 action and would like to build a .257 roy. national ordnance model 1903a3 30-06-springfield bolt action rifle description: this is a national ordnance model 1903a3 30-06-springfield bolt action rifle the barrel is stamped “ra bomb 7-44” bore of the 24" two-groove barrel is bright, shiny and excellent the over all finish of the metal is 97% the wood has some scuffs and dents here and there as shown in these many close up … Ordnance Quality Control: One of the unique things about the U.S. GI carbines and their parts is the manufacturing standards applied to every manufacturer so all of the parts would be interchangeable, no matter who manufactured them. checked just to make sure that everything is in order. It was officially adopted as a United States military bolt-action rifle on June 19, 1903, and saw service in World War I.It was officially replaced as the standard … From time to time ammunition will fail, especially older … Really nice shape, mechanically, used to have plastic(?) General Discussion. The only part that's not USGI is the receiver. Double-Action Revolvers. Dionysusigma Member. It is no beauty but it is complete and seems to be in exellent condition. Bought a 1917 Enfield instead for $220. Perplexed Sharpshooter. Box 576 (mail) Camp Perry Training Site, Bldg #3 Port Clinton, Ohio 43452 Telephone: (419) 635-2141 FAX: (419) 635-2802 E … "Never been fired" 303,000 range Rock Island information? Reciever marked "cal 30-06" and "model 1903A3" …

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