Other than a single pistol class back in 2014 I’m a self taught shooter, and I can EASILY draw, fire 3 rds, and hit center mass of my IDPA target with all 3 in less than 3 seconds from 10 yds. You must be in the Phx area as I am. @Rick I feel that a 9mm can be effective in most situations, BUT a .40 S&W is better. Not Yet Rated Sold Out. hate to say that was over 40 yrs ago. I traded because I wanted a mid-range Glock. It would seem at times that the “writers” for CTD/TSL are biased toward Glock. Your email address will not be published. I will never go back. Thanks for explaining the price differences on Gun Broker, and all the other logic you wrote. Specialized GLOCK barrel parts may be more expensive than new factory spec barrel parts for your GLOCK. As a Firearms Instructor for a Ga. L E Agency for 10 yrs. If ever you get the chance and inclination you might give a 23 Gen 4 a try. I love my Gen 4 Glock 23 too. I’m being totally serious when I say that. I thought well, if I like the 30SF so much, why not go to the .40 for a smaller carry size? Anyway, I’m a 23 fan…. Shoots fine with the short sight radius and the compensator really helps with mitigating muzzle flip and recoil for faster and more accurate follow-up shots on lions, tigers, and bears. Of course she Carrie’s a new #15 spring as well as #18 as well as the factory parts in her range bag. The best you’re gonna get off the shelf will be somewhere around 525fpe+/-, and [that], out of a longer test barrel. So if you shoot someone with a 9mm, and then a .40S&W, the 40 will do more damage because it’s a wider bullet with more powder to push it’s extra weight. My 1st take on the barrel is that there were more shots on target, in the black, than with my stock barrel. Basically a snubby G23. If that means a 9mm, then by all means carry a 9mm. I own a sub2k in .40 with a buffer and it is a smooth shooting extremely accurate road and I can use the rounds in my g22. I shoot it in 9mm more often than not but found I am more accurate with it in .40. It is true, however that this measure of power in such a compact and lightweight form, takes its toll after blowing through a couple boxes of shells at the range – In contrast, I can fire box after box from my Kimber Pro Carry 1911 in .45ACP without fatigue. 9mm is my champion – cost of ammo, availability of ammo, availability of firearms, controllability in carry situations outside of home protection and you are already familiar so at home works if it works for you, Power factor Is negated if you cannot control a 45acp but the 40 is just a smidge more weight, power but less control. I have both a G27 & 19. One 357 Sig to center mass is not better than 10 .22LR accurate hits to center mass. I have never been a fan of the 9mm. The 29 is concealable, and the 20 could be with the proper clothes and holster. I can’t say enough good things about it! No Ejector change needed! With a 45, not even close. I’ve had my G23 for 20 years and friends with Walters and wheel guns are jealous. They weigh but 23.6 ounces unloaded and pump up to about 32 ounces loaded. 19 wins for some, 23 wins for those who can handle the weight and power. I could quote some physics but the 45 ACP boys long ago changed the argument to one that favors their cartridge and I see that is continued in this article. I have a G19C G3. Seems to me like a person should CC the largest caliber firearm that they can shoot well and carry adequately concealed. What really frustrates me is the mindless nonsense that is palmed off as reality when during the most violent time in the history of our country shootists regularly engaged confrontations with black powder single shot firearms and black powdder cartridges like the 45 colt and the 44-40. Additionally, despite being relatively new to Glocks, I’ve put 1500 rounds though my G34’s and G26 with zero malfunctions using 5 different loads. The key to all hand guns and how the felt recoil is precieved is due to LOL). Weak grip will induce stovepipes in the 9mm, whereas the snappier recoil of the .40 will cycle the pistol without fail. As far as I know, Glock has 60% of the LEO sales market, not of all sales, but I also couldn’t find stats for 2014 to be 100% sure. I am certain a .45 can be made as light as a 9mm, but the .900-inch long cartridge case demands a long grip frame. In closing, my little G26 puts all it’s rounds though the same 1.75″ hole that the G34 carves out at 45ft. .380 can not reliably do the job for which it would be needed, regardless of whether anyone would voluntarily stand in front of it. My personal experience. 19 wins – carries more ammo but you practice and control not to need the extra ammo. He shot up his entire target with no notable grouping whatsoever. I totally agree with you. Gee, Einstein was right! Put a 20lb spring in the Glock 23 and it is about as easy to shoot as the G19 with no reliablity issues. Funny thing is, I shoot a G20 really well – strange how more power in full-power 10mm is easier to me to shoot than the 40 S&W. Addition of a few “bells and whistles” has made this weapon a better fit for me. window.PixleeAsyncInit = function() {Pixlee.init({apiKey:"D9gKCa4iiyIe5iWAbR33"});Pixlee.addSimpleWidget({lightbox:true, widgetId:2208963});}; 9mm or .40 S&W? I was issued a Glock 19 in 1989. After years of shooting this way I finally broke down and bought a G17 and noticed that the ejector was shaped differently. I choose it for my carry gun because of Glock’s reputation for reliability. Glock, Sig, etc. You comment on follow the money is not well take. In today’s anti-police society, I feel I can reasonably protect my family with my Glock 23. I have thought of buying a G23 to go along with my G19 and adding a 9MM barrel just as I did with my G27. Me personally, I carry a 9mm. The GLOCK 19 Gen 3 has a single coil spring, and the GLOCK Gen 4 has dual coil spring. A steel guide rod which tames much of the muzzle flip assisting with follow up shots. Advantage Arms Glock 19/23 .22 LR Threaded Conversion Barrel w/Adapter $179.49 3 models Rival Arms Glock 19 Gen 5 Precision Threaded Drop-in Barrel $235.99 (Save 15%) $199.99 NewtonÔÇÖs Third Law of Motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. A few months ago I bought a Glock 27 after shooting a friends. I could not be happier. I’ve used a G23 for several years, and can shoot it pretty well. I absolutely HATED Glocks. Other than the barrel and opening on the slide, they are identical from what I can tell. Still, with the way everything went down, my first impression is that I have made an excellent investment, and the long barrel is staying in the gun permanently. I suppose practice pays off. Two back surgeries forced the change so I traded in my Para P12 for the Glock. The 36 and 23 now alternate as my carry weapons, depending on the situation. Your discussions, feedback and comments are welcome here as long as they are relevant and insightful. They all acknowledge the extra recoil, but cling to the G23 because it WORKS. I would think the 500 would have a much better one-shot stop potential. The most effective use of the Glock 23 for self-defense would be to swap out the .40 S&W barrel for a .357 SIG barrel from a Glock 32, and use .357 SIG ammo rather than .40 S&W. Please click the reload button and complete the captcha once again. One thing to note is that the Gen 4 recoil spring makes a noticeable reduction in recoil for .40 caliber. for police. I know state police and other officers who prefer it over a 9, even a Sigg 9. A 165 grain projectile traveling at over 1050 fps creates enough energy and momentum for any handgun usable encounter. Yes indeed! $165.00. striker-fired .45 ACP. I’ve been carrying that since 2008, completely stock. Lol . 10mm is one of my favorite rounds when full bore, might as well be shooting a .40 when loaded down. Not Yet Rated Sold Out. About a yr ago I was shooting my steel targets from about 10 yds. Glockmeister is the original retail seller of GLOCK pistols, factory parts, and accessories. For a self-defense shooter who is willing to rely on a psychological stop or neck/head shot to stop an attack, basically ANY handgun round will get the job done. The most effective use of the Glock 23 for self-defense would be to swap out the .40 S&W barrel for a .357 SIG barrel from a Glock 32, and use .357 SIG ammo rather than .40 S&W. I see so many complaining about the recoil of the .40 and slower follow up shots, less capacity blah blah. Back to the point, the .40 s&w is an excellent bridge between the 9mm and the .45 acp. (Against the other handgun calibers of course not a rifle round). There seems to be a problem serving the request at this time, One stop shop for all things from your favorite brand. Model 27 23 22 and a 17 just to use 9mm ammo. Lone Wolf GLOCK 23/32 Conversion Barrel 9mm Luger Threaded 1/2x28 Stainless LWD-... Lone Wolf GLOCK 23/32 Conversion Barrel 9mm … The 230-grain .45 is at 20; the .45 ACP 185-grain standard load is at about 17. Initially my G23 was just OK until I made a few modifications, now it is my EDC and favorite firearm. Excellent article and very much to the point. The 9mm size handgun is ideal for carrying and for hand fit. Nice write up! After testing the same brands of gun in 9mm and .40SW, the extra flip and recoil from the .40SW that kept me from getting back on target for follow-up shots vis-a-vis the 9mm also meant that there were more flyers in the batches of .40SW. 9mm is substantially less expensive, which affords greater opportunities for range time and training for most people “on their own dime”. employees can do that very, very well with what they practice with. The .40 was shoehorned into the 9mm frame in much the same manner and much the same problems surfaced. Joe, I did not realize that you should swap the ejector as well. I have a Glock 29 if I need something more concealable in 10mm. Are you so tired of hearing about Glocks that when a cop writes an article saying, “Hey – you should try this Glock 23 out” that you immediately hold onto your super expensive Kimber Ultra II with both hands and yell, “Why do I HAVE to? If it was plenty good for professional gun fighters in the wild west, what has happened today to make it so much more dangerous? Yes, I know this is a blog, not real journalism, but there should be some pretense towards objectivity. I also have .45 ACP and 10MM 1911s available plus long guns and shot guns so the .40 S&W isn’t really needed. Gee, Einstein was right!ÔÇØ. Just because you always 10 over the speed limit, doesn’t mean you can’t get a ticket someday. Also, I have read that, with current ammunition technology, the 9mm round is just as effective in FBI terminal ballistics testing as both the .45 and .40 calibers. My yardstick, tape measure and calipers show that each is 7.35 inches long, about 5.0 inches high and 1.18 inches thick. It has been proven that in real world wound ballistics there is little difference between the 9mm -.40S&W – .357 SIG & .45 ACP. –Lol !! The standard GLOCK 17 has a barrel length of 4.49 inches, and a sight radius of about 6.5 inches, depending on exactly what sights you’re using. While recoil energy may be calculated, the easiest way is to calculate power factor. I bet you wouldn’t carry that thing around 24/7 if you were a cop in Atlanta, Brooklyn, Memphis, or Detroit… Well, the guy that wrote the article is, or was, a cop, and he wrote an article about something he has experience with. It has some reduction in 9mm recoil but significantly more in .40. check out the new GLOCK 43. I bought a 23 and equipped it with good gear and practiced with it. Although I love Glocks, I plan to rent and try some of the newer Springfield XD series pistols my next trip to the range. I have thought about going to a 19. Some GLOCK barrel parts are interchangeable between the two generations, but not all of them are. But like you said about yourself, the extra pep doesn’t bother me, because I shoot 44 magnum and 50AE also, so the 10mm has become calmer to shoot. The Glock 23 is my all time favorite followed by the Bersa Thunder 380 tack driver. I’m looking forward to trying out a G23! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. It can also be looked at as preaching to the choir. So carry what you want, and TRAIN for it. Sorry, Bob, but this statement is a fallacy: “the fact remains the 9mm’s wound potential isn’t up to the .45 ACP.”. With defense ammo and superior control you can put more center mass – the only objective – not to say I have a 45acp I cannot hit real well with. The article ignores ammo pricing. Thanks for sharing with us. Dumb luck I guess. I polished the friction areas, put a 3lb connector on it, and XS big dot sights. Neither Glock features a manual safety. One thing I am convinced of and that is that most of this is complete BS. The problem was that it did not do the job it was intended to do. For the next decade I made do by carrying my S&W revolvers, however they were equipped with Speer Gold Dot JHPs (on the job we were restricted to 158 gr. Quickview. U HAVE TO CARRY WHAT U CAN SHOOT WELL – not what power factor people talk about. . What a great firearm! It;s made of solid brass like a bullet and will last forever. Now I carry a 30SF every day in the winter. I change them around regularly, and approach them from differnt angles using available cover. I prefer to carry a small 3 1/2 in. It’s like owning three Glocks of different Cal. Perceived recoil is not much different for me between the 2. I did a lot of research, and testing before decided which pistol to purchase for my EDC. I think you practice with what you carry and learn to shoot well and it will be effective. If that doesn’t sound like much – it is because it isn’t. I use a G23 mag in a G27 with a grip sleeve. Hardly a ringing endorsement. I now install Stainless Recoil Springs in all my pistols. That having been said, neither of these weapons are meant for hundreds of rounds at the range, but rather to be carried and used at need. If the listing does not indicate the generation, then you may be able to determine the generation of the GLOCK 19 for sale by looking at the coil spring and slide. Glock currently represents over 60 percent of all handgun sales and Glock has enjoyed the lion’s share of sales for many years. Enter the 96. 17, 19, blah blah blah, not to mention the other calibers in the same size guns; I go full size or I go small only when absolutely necessary. As I have done in the past and will likely do in the future when it comes to these blog Glock parties, I’d like to again remind those that are interested in three dimensional thinking that not even NEARLY all of the innovations in the World of Firearms are because of Glock. Good luck and be safe. She will still have the 9! That was everything and a bag of chips, until a friend handed me a G23 to try. 3 As far as concealment, the G26 is the best. Or if that is too difficult to understand, would you rather be shot by a .45 ACP or a .270 Winchester? I just hate the “snappy” recoil. ** Spring is +5% in Model 21, 13 round magazine. “So, the G22’s and G23’s are being swapped out for 4th Gen G19’s. In any pistol. Pluses, more powerful round, versatility of two calibers for the price of a barrel & can use G23 mags in G27. I think you have gone a bit off topic. As for myself and always on my own time and my own dime- and often in uniform when I could- it is the cocked and locked Colt 1911 .45, Government Model. With that in mind give me the model that holds more ammo. lead SWC in .38+P – no hollow points allowed!) For those willing to practice and accept lower times between shots, greater recoil, and perhaps slightly less absolute accuracy, the Model 23 offers excellent real-world ballistics. To each his own, and I agree Power factor/carrying and accuracy 9mm wins The 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP all fall significantly short of that minimum. Comparing Glock-Glock-to-Glock as in this piece is nothing but sycophantic, and has no perspective at all. The original 158-grain RNL .38 load was often called a “widowmaker” because it failed the officers carrying it. Conversion Kit, 22LR, 3.46" Barrel… On the back is a screw on brass piece with a switch inside protected by rubber. I shoot .45 best, so that’s what I carry. We take hits no matter what the article, no matter what the gun, but for most shooters, the Glock works. No one would volunteer to stand in front of a rubber band being shot at their face, nor a pebble thrown at their head. Your reply is short, simple, and yet so much more realistic than all the 9mm love and all these FBI reports. The added probability of the slightly extra width of a .45 ACP bullet actually hitting and disabling an attacker’s CNS, when the identical shot with a 9mm wouldn’t, is so small as to be meaningless. I felt that a single stack handgun did not offer me enough protection for some situations where I might be out numbered. The FBI report more or less debunks all the advantages of the larger round. Also, we use high-powered rifle rounds to take game because we expect (and intend) to only take one shot. I have had my first (I have 3) Glock 23 since 1999 and just recently rebuilt it (new springs etc)… not because of any problems, but because it is my carry pistol and I had a solid 7,000 rounds through it at the range. Some of the specialty barrel parts that you can find include: The selection of GLOCK barrel parts includes options for every price range. I’ve been shooting a 3rd gen. 23 since its conception. One Federal agency rushed to adopt the Glock 32 and went back to the 9mm because the officers were not qualifying to the previous high standard with the Glock 23. 1. I’ve owned glocks a long time. .Do really like the 40 better than the 9, for me at least. I went over there and I see what you mean. Again – I’m new to this, but I havrnt seen any formulas that don’t square the velocity. 1st gun I purchased when I was old enough, was a .357 Colt Trooper owned by a retired C.H.P. I get a better purchase on the grip with it over the G 23. I see a lot of comments about the price of ammunition.

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