Hi Ray, I’m possibly torn between the Kickr v5 or the Tacx Neo2, as an upgrade from my 2yr old Tacx Vortex Smart. Still, much of the road-like feel is driven by the flywheel, and be it physical or virtual, flywheel sizes tend to be measured in weight. Yup, I wouldn’t expect any problems there at all. The next bit is stability. I tried a Snap and Kv4, and both of them under-reported power to the extend of 30-60W, which turned (test) Zwift racing into a frustrating slog. Looks like all the problems are not sorted out. Now I need to figure out the whole training peaks/Garmin/Strava/Zwift or whatever app to get it all synced and working. link to youtu.be. Are they undershooting the max weight for warranty purposes? I re-read the functions it does have, and saw what you meant: “ANT+ Power Meter Profile: This broadcasts as a standard ANT+ power meter, with speed and cadence baked in as well.”. Not meaningfully. You will be in complete control of your resistance via your gearing selection, and not impact from road grade change in the game will be in effect. While I’d love to have seen Wahoo go towards the true electromagnetic design on their KICKR Bike (like a TACX NEO Series), the existing technology they use, once a bit more polish is added, should fit the bill for now. Volunteer, yes. While the KICKR does have magnets, and does have electricity, nobody in the indoor trainer industry would call it an electromagnetic design/flywheel. Do I need adapter to use my 2 bikes. Indeed, tech details would be great to understand – and photos ideally (or video if it’s sound related). Maybe the few intervals than end ‘on time’ were programmed when GvA was sneaking out for a Couchlandrian donut fix…. They are going to sell a hellova lotta these this fall. Went back to Garmin. The resistance on the bike is electromagnetic though right? Beyond this, you can see the serial number, firmware version, hardware version, and ANT+ ID of your trainer. i’m Looking to upgrade to either snap or Kickr. KICKR SNAP’s wheel-on design makes it easy to turn your road, mountain, or TT bike into a powerful indoor smart trainer, plus the Wahoo Fitness app offers guided set-up instructions to fine tune your ride and start training in just minutes. Given this is the same, I’m just as happy here as before. And I’m more than happy if Zwift reads this and then gets upset, because all they need to do is ask those companies for an honest assessment, and they’ll tell them the exact same thing. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, but your purchases help support this website a lot. © Copyright 2021 Wahoo Fitness. But BT seems really solid. My laptop doesn’t have Bluetooth, so I’ve previously used Ant+ for everything on my current Tacx Vortex and Zwift. Ok, with all the basics out of the way, let’s talk app compatibility. One app. Tweet. My video should be up any moment, but essentially I’m skeptical on that snippet at 0:10. I emailed wahoo support on the temperature range as I ride in a cold garage in winter. That’s because Wahoo has yet to implement the industry standard Bluetooth Smart FTMS trainer control protocol. WAHOO. I've been using it as my main trainer desk for a long time now and love it. ... up an old post but I'm looking to get a trainer and trying to decide if the core is worth the extra ~$350 over the snap. I have mine since early November 2019 that gets regular use. By pushing back the release of the ethernet dongle, Wahoo had to do significantly less paperwork to get the 2020 KICKR out the door, and can take extra time with the dongle certifications. Surprisingly tiny and relatively quiet, but on high it puts out good stream of air that’s enough for me on the trainer if aimed and positioned optimally. craigmanning November 6, 2020, 9:04pm #21. Wired trainers are the simplest solution to avoid man-in-the-middle hacks that are really easy to do with BLE or ANT+. That’s very helpful. I have done a million spin downs, software updates, research, contacted Wahoo…. +1000 my kickr 2018 has a temp sensor (tells me what temp the trainer is at when spinning down). REi has a 90 day no questions asked return policy. Ive been following your Youtube page, congrats on this i like how you deliver your information etc. Finally, we’ll finish on The Sufferfest, which is an ERG mode workout I did last night. Anyone else experienced this? My 1st gen Elite Direto, which has been amazing for years, now sounds like a locomotive riding on loose tracks. I’m playing a fun game of ‘how to get a Kickr in Europe’ with basically no stock anywhere. And the cushioned feet seem like a nice addition to improve comfort and reduce fatigue during long sessions as my 2017 is pretty rigid and I worry about the effect on my frame over time. The exclusive Four-Dimensional Power® platform personalizes all of your performance targets for the most effective workouts available. I will wait until v6 or v7 when they “magically” add the Ethernet port as a standard ft. Bluetooth Smart Wahoo Trainer Control: This is Wahoo’s private method of controlling trainers, and includes speed/cadence data. The reviews generally take a lot of hours to put together, so it’s a fair bit of work (and labor of love). What about indoor trainers … You can also mix and match and create your own trainer comparison charts with just about any trainer on the market in the aforementioned/linked product database. I can get v4 Kickr new for same price as Core, so that’s a no brainer. Sure, they're not as powerful as a Wahoo Headwind, but I could literally buy 20 of them for the same price. So I don’t see it as easier, unless you are rolling solo and don’t want to shift. But as with the KICKR 2018, that’s more of a technicality than anything, because as I noted – every app already supports Wahoo’s own trainer control standard over Bluetooth Smart anyway. I’m glad it’s accurate for a 300 FTP rider. Wahoo Fitness Wahoo KICKR Core 2020. I sold it after 6 months as I needed the money for a new bike. It would be really interesting to pop the cover off and see if the design still incorporates an aluminium pulley on a steel axle, a washer that distorts and a 6mm bolt. Select: * Quantity: +-Add to cart. Note, this is all for using on zwift. The only real impact is what you do with the shifting on the bike, and whether you “feel” the hill feedback. It gets from about my knees to my head. There’s too many currencies to try and track them all. Soon available in the wahoo-shop (if you real need): link to wahoofitness.com, Soon in the Wahoo-Shop available (if you real need): link to wahoofitness.com. This should lessen the load. It also probably provides a slight bit of vibration dampening on certain flooring with sensitive neighbors, but that’s hard for me to test. There’s no fun in doing that, let alone a 24% incline that some trainers can simulate. But, I like adding stickers to power supplies so I can see them from far across the room (or, just behind me while on the trainer). And those who don’t, could still have it made in a local computer shop for a few $$. That’s handy if you’ve got multiple trainers around. Do not get it – You have to be at least on 52/16 to achieve 150w ? Looking at mounting, the feet spin off and then are disassembled with a simple hex wrench. Any refresh on the Roam forthcoming? I am doubtful it requires that much processing power. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. There’s also interesting things you can do with such a design, like the road feel on the Tacx series. Anything that increases comfort, especially for longer rides – even incrementally – is appreciated. Plus I still like riding my Rock Hopper on trails. I bought a Wahoo and had it replaced 3 times before I gave up and bought the Tacx Neo. For more information on setting up your trainer, please see the Wahoo Product Instructions section and select your trainer. Why not wait to get the certification done and release afterwards with the modest price increase justifies the licensing and manufacturing costs? It’s not possible to pair an HRM to the Kickr. – Saris H3 However, they did note (correctly) that you’ll feel slightly more movement on a hard surface, like concrete. Third … I’ve done something similiar over the past few years around Eurobike and testing trainers (including the KICKR) from an RV. When the interval ends, just switch down. I detail the issue and the fix more in this update post here. Anybody want to volunteer to ride this thing hard for 6-8 weeks and report back if it starts squealing like a blown power steering belt like the 2 2018 Kickrs I’ve had did? The software world is even crazier, something with effectively zero manufacturing cost has no reason to cost the same in all regions, just pick a local price! My biggest gripe would be the slow response time to power changes during ERG workouts which typically are on the order of 8-10 secs. Use the original Wahoo utility app for firmware updates and calibrations: ... Wahoo Fitness Kickr Core. Those trainers are basically silent. USB C could have been done, but would have required a different approach. 2 – This is a n00b question: I’ve ridden for decades, thousands of miles a year, but never changed a cassette. I’d love to turn them off, but it appears when the Kickr has power, the LEDs are on. Just curious to know if there is any difference between Assioma set 1 and 2 or just because 2 set of Assiomas are better than having 1 set . Why would they put a telephone jack over a network jack or much better in my opinion a USB port? I also got a Favero assiamo uno to compare. I am not tricking the Kickr by doing random pedaling, it is simply when I accelerate slowly over 100 or so that I see this. And what if my bike is a 10 speed cassette? ENJOYED READING YOUR REVIEW ON THE WAHOO KICKR V5 WHICH I RECENTLY PURCHASED Well… I had already two Kickr V5 units – first was replaced under warranty (same well known problem as with previous gen after less than 8hours of use…) second unit also wasn’t perfect although it was rattling free there was very uncomfortable resonating noise when hard pedaling or above 200w (problem also well known with Kickr as I started read on the internet… I decided to sell the unit after two weeks and get NEO 2T… Now I can hear the difference. 2. AXIS feet sound like they’re all coming in September. The trainer mat will already give you more cushion than this will. I have the HT900’s here in the studio (along with a HEADWIND, depending on which spot I’m in), and then at home just HT900’s. You can hear the noise in this video. In this mode, it’s just like outdoors in that you can change your gearing to make it easier or harder. I’m looking long term value here and can justify the cost of either. This effectively removes the ability for someone to willfully cheat the calibration values for races. If you're shopping for the Wahoo KICKR V5/2020 (Current Version) or any other accessory items, please consider using the affiliate links below! D) Perhaps internal distribution costs increased in Australia (did they change partners in the last few years – I believe it used to be FE Sports, and perhaps a new relationship has expanded support/etc…. It’s a little detail, but I’m kinda OCD and don’t like the blinking lights. Get Faster with TrainerRoad. I have read only positive reviews… (and May replace my Kickr with an H3..my Kickr has not been reliable). So im using BT with the desktop apps until I figure out the Ant+ dongle. In any case, the Wahoo KICKR V5 supports the following protocol transmission standards: ANT+ FE-C Control: This is for controlling the trainer via ANT+ from apps and head units, and includes speed/cadence data. Does the Axis feet change the level of the bike, enough to require a front wheel riser? Hope they open this up to older generation kickers. Anyways are those products really that bad? You can control the trainer in a number of ways, including in ERG mode (setting a wattage point), incline/gradient mode (setting a % grade), and level mode (setting a specific level). The Wahoo KICKR SNAP V2 Smart Trainer is a smart indoor cycling trainer that provides the same control, accuracy and connectivity as the legendary KICKR, but in a convenient wheel-on design so you can get training in a snap! This reaction time and accuracy are both tested here. That said, paying over the odds for these things just encourages scalping that is ruining all recent product launches. My thinking from looking at Canyon’s info is that the not-compatible list is actually more narrow than they realize. CompetitiveCyclist just got in stock of all the major KICKR models, and all are currently showing in stock for immediate shipment. Any suggestions? The Direto XR simply doesn’t have as good of ‘road feel’ (inertia) as the others. I got my money’s worth out of the Direto for sure. Next, let’s look at a Zwift ride, this one compared against the PowerTap P2 pedals and a Quarq DZero. For these ones, as noted I was in the small chainring up front, and precisely mid-cassette in the back. Would you pay a premium to get a V5 Kickr now instead of waiting? It’s fine at endurance watt levels, but it feels like the perceived efforts ramps up much faster as the watts go well beyond FTP. In practice, I haven’t found that to be the case – at least with a trainer mat. Canyon Bike Setup #2: Favero Assioma Dual-sided pedals Set #1, Quarq DZero crankset “The resistance that you have to overcome is the same, no matter the setting.”. Technically it’s an RJ25 port (identical externally to an RJ11 telephone jack port, just with more pins inside). It’s still a trainer, and I’m still looking at a wall in front of me. Yep I also hesitate to pull trigger on new KICKR. Is there something wrong with my kickr or is this normal? Ask and you shall receive: link to amzn.to, Thanks Ray for complex review. I set up a new Kickr V5 on a perfectly level floor with the Axis feet retracted all the way into the support arms. Or does it behave like the Tacx NEO, in which how well the trainer holds true to the targeted power depends greatly on the gear selection? So I’ve contacted Wahoo on their website to see how fast they can get me a Core delivered. Are the AXIS feet significantly different from using high-density foam pads under the current feet? Compared to a turbo such as the Kickr Snap there is a noticeable movement which … 05-Nov-2020 • Knowledge ... Wahoo-Fitness-Kickr-Snap. If someone wants to cheat, they’ll just buy a left-only Assioma Uno and set the crank length to 200mm when it’s really 172.5mm. As far as all the reliability issues of the KICKR & KICKR CORE of yesteryear, Wahoo says that they formed an internal dedicated quality team in Atlanta (HQ) and each of their factories, and then added additional processing/engineering checks as a result. T means better torques and does it mean anything for light people (60 kg) in Zwift? This story is part of our end-of-year series This Year in Gear rounding up the most notable releases of 2020. TrainerRoad. So I created a new one here: And, ok even if that’s the case. The overall weight may be inconvenient when trying to move the trainer, but the only time I did this was to get it out to the shed. Just curious. We’ve only seen a handful of these and reports seem positive. Another question that I have is: In the Sufferfest cadence drills where I pedal with one foot only, the Kickr reads half the cadence but my cadence sensor reads it right. Totally agree that the location of MFG is a red herring and one that has nothing to do with any of the issues here. My main issue is around responsiveness, often-times power control type pairing lead to basically a delayed feedback loop. Stay well . The degree of deviation was from step 1 25W until the stop 60W – as difference to the set value. So there is nothing I can do except get used to this new level of effort. Is this a bad move? I just used to work for a company with ethernet-enabled products, and I can tell you compliance engineering is not a painless process. I was cross chaining and I shouldn’t need to do that. So still no calibrationless unit that would properly end Zwift cheating as I’m figuring it’ll be child’s play to hack this and repeatedly insert deliberately skewed calibration numbers every 15 seconds or so. Internal exam can’t find any visual issue. Also, any idea about whether there will be another semi-annual sale from Clever Training? My Saris M2 stops controlling resistance when my W/kg drops below 2.0 on grades over 10%. Regarding your comment about “control with power meter” I use this feature with my snap to avoid having to do a 15 minute warm up and spin down before a workout. I thought the Axis might rebalance the level. Do you think magnets are better than belts? As I will have this a long time and use it like crazy I’m leaning towards spending the extra for the latest greatest. Thanks once again for your amazing reviews!! The NEO 2T review has 263 comments on it – and I skimming the last few months – nobody has mentioned bearing or overheating issues. I think that by and large the vast majority of people are using various 3rd party platforms like TrainerRoad, Sufferfest, Zwift, or others to execute structured workouts. Including the Climb? Might not be different from your old Kickr, but worth a check at least. I’ve been waiting a week for V4 to even ship and keep getting run-arounds from Wahoo. I have two bikes, a 1993 Merlin Road with Campy Record 10 sp, and a 2018 Colnago C64 with Campy Super Record 12 sp. Though not a hassle for normal zwifting but is quiet frustrating for group rides and races.. Can I hook the kickr and climb to a UPS for uninterrupted power? All thoughts welcome. There used to be a bigger discount with Wiggle, but sadly not anymore in COVID times. I’ve added the Wahoo KICKR V5 (2020) into the product comparison database. I’ve noticed that they tend to say things like ‘Various Shimano, SRAM & Campagnolo cassettes’ but for someone thats not a bike enthusiast (yet) this isn’t enough information. Wahoo. Hello Ray, the owner’s group in FB is rife with bearing issues, among other issues with fans/overheating/freezing, etc, and Drew the guy who runs TacxFacx posted a video recently about how Garmin said they aren’t planning to release a bearing extraction tool for the 2T, its a different spec than the 1/2. First, here’s the pairing screen, where you can see the KICKR V5/2020 listed: As far as calibration goes, you can pretend to do calibration from just about any app. Featuring the legendary KICKR flywheel technology, in an approachable wheel-on design, KICKR SNAP indoor trainer delivers the same resistance and realistic ride feel experienced cycling outdoors. I think you’ll experience the same on any other trainer. I have numerous sets mostly so when testing smart bikes or trainers I can swap easily or keep things on longer if need be. For example both the KICKR Bike & Tacx NEO series don’t even have the option. I've also put together a quick list of some of my favorite or most compatible accessories for this unit: The original trainer desk. Then getting bounced around inside the case during use. I asked Wahoo if the special (part-hidden) factory spindown still exists but didn’t get a definitive reply, any ideas if that exists or needs to exist? I have contacted Elite and they sent me a link for a DIY fix that I’m trying today. On flat roads in Zwift I am in 52×21 at 90rpm and doing almost 200W. However, with the Wahoo KICKR SNAP its 17.5kg mass, including a 4.8kg flywheel, actually adds to the quality experience. KICKR SNAP is compatible with KICKR Trainer Accessories, including the KICKR CLIMB Grade Simulator and KICKR HEADWIND Smart Fan, allowing you to build the ideal setup for your training needs. In essence this makes your trainer match your power meter. However I agree that the resistance curve is a bit aggressive. So, if you do have an older unit and want to reduce vibrations, that may be an option. I think you forgot the bike in the Kickr lineup. Just like the KICKR V5 weedwhacker sound linked above. I have it on the floor about a foot in front of the front edge of my front wheel and angle upward. (very simplistic driver as its just a serial port pass through). Make sense, because there is only an “A” attached to the FCCID (PADWF113-A). In my apartment it is much more silent than KICKR – no vibrance/noise resonating whatever. Not a super issue for modern stuff, but when you mix in family band radios and Nintendo game machines with chargers that look like they might fit your phone…but don’t…. Ethernet Port..my home network is predominantly WIFI…even the ZWIFT computer I use…having a wired Ethernet at my pain cave would be a Painfull process …no way, I am running away from cables except for the media box running plex. Features. Yup, you can use the Peloton Digital app. Thanks, I was swaying between this and the neo in anycase. While Wahoo allows you to calibrate, it’s mostly there as a pacification for some apps that might require it. Belt slip that gives a ‘squeak’ sound under low flywheel speed, high force efforts. After a ton of research, I’m definitely going full Kickr, not Core. 2) we let you calibrate and then we throw that calibration away! So training on the kickr with intervals is definitely no fun and the accuracy is then also no longer given. Truly don’t know what else I can do? Easy to follow bodyweight-based program designed specifically for cyclists to build functional strength and turbo-charge your power and endurance on the bike. The current Kickr Core uses the same weight flywheel as my 2016 Kickr2 so should/will feel the same. Thanks Ales. While Wahoo has conducted tests on KICKR SNAP safety and compatibility with certain bikes, the KICKR SNAP end user is ultimately responsible for ensuring that their bike frame is compatible with the KICKR SNAP trainer such that damage to the bike frame does not result from use. Might just give up and Craigslist this $1200 problem and move to another brand. Additionally, existing KICKR’s were relatively easy to tweak the accuracy to enable cheating. My bike is 700x32c, 11 Spd rear cassette (so I’m using the supplied one), 142mm Thru axel.

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