Typhoon 2 30. Such technological powerhouses that either you needed bad luck or a really, really talented driver to defeat any of them in The Third Wars. The series was a supposed "alternative" version of the real show based around the Fourth Series of Robot Wars. Honestly, Spawn Again was just the most unnecessary machine in any All-Stars competition, because aside from maybe facing Chaos 2, I did not want to see it competing one-on-one against any of the other machines. Indeed, this time we didn't need to hope that Razer and Hypno-Disc wouldn't falter in prior battles. But that is a tough ask, considering both machines would have to overcome fierce opposition to even meet each other. A lot of people talk of a mythical Hypnodisc Vs Razer fight that never happened, if it did how do you think it would have gone down? Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. Clearly, the producers should have given the two teams something to entice them to compete. Heck, it made otherwise promising robots like Barber-Ous 2 and Bulldog Breed look like Round 1 dropouts. I mean it didn't give Terrorhurtz a good hit in Season 6! But what especially disappoints me is not that this battle never happened. Indeed, Berserk 2 and 101 provided the spinner with more trouble compared to what Steg-O-Saw-Us theoretically could do to Razer. I see this occurring last due to the concerns of damage both machines may experience, henceforth making this an easy Razer win. so funny (a must to watch)All Rights go to: Mentorn Media. Clearly, the producers wanted this dream battle to go on last if ever happened, and I can understand that mentality. Yet of course, rather than having a really interesting clash between Dominator 2 and Razer (and perhaps giving Spawn Again a challenge in 13 Black), the producers just had to give Razer pretty much a free win (and before Razer defenders attack me, I say that in Razer was such a dominating machine that it didn't need any free wins to capture any title). 8:09. Robot Wars Wiki. It was considered the ultimate Robot Wars dream match, and one that we never got to see. However, the Hypno drivers are no schmucks themselves, and all they'd really need is one good hit and Razer would be knocked out. But anyhow, this might be an unpopular opinion, considering Heat B of Extreme 2's All-Stars was rated highly enough to compete in "The Best Episode of UK Robot Wars", but I honestly find this episode disappointing. Robot Battles Ep1 - Ultimate Bat Mech vs Giant Ironman ultimate battle! Indeed, the All-Stars concept was excellent in my opinion, because we get to see some elite-tier matches that otherwise would never happen in the main tournament. A trophy, maybe? What it lost though was millions of dollars in PPV revenue, and future high ratings just having the two staring each other down! Follow. Worse still, Razer's technical problems were hardly the result of its opponents, so imagine having such flaws against Hypno-Disc? Perhaps a change of tactics would have given the Rose boys the victory here. When considering the three stars of classic Robot Wars were Chaos 2, Hypno-Disc and Razer, and that two of the dream battles occurred, it is pretty obvious why many fans yearned for a clash between these stars, and were disappointed when it never happened. S3 22. First of all, apologies if this is a bit spammy, but I don't recall seeing a real debate on this! This would be a very entertaining fight because although chaos 2 did fight hypno disc and razer did fight chaos 2 we have never seen hypno disc fight razer or all 3 fight at one time. After the weight increase it gets harder, I'd say Razer wish it could've happened in series 5 but Bigger Brother stopped it from happening. Mower (12) VS Omega Killerlot (4) Omega Killerlot Omega Killalot threw Mower out of the arena when it let Mower go while spinning. And no, no Hypno v Razer Pulsar vs Carbide. No wonder it ultimately perished in 2001. To be fair, considering Razer's internal troubles during the pre-100kg era, I can see the first Jurassic Park machine potentially winning providing it achieves a few strong slams. Well, I actually have a few reasons for why the Series 5 opportunity did not come first, despite it seemingly being the obvious choice. 6 years ago | 66 views. Series 5, I'd lean more towards Razer. Hydra 29. And speaking of which, "Robots who benefitted or suffered from the 100kg weight era" is a blog for another day. I think it is pretty clear that Series 6 was probably the least likely of any opportunity to see this dream bout. Ultimately, Razer was too fragile to defeat even a poorly spinner at this point, thus I give the victory to Hypno-Disc. But at this point in the list, such doubt over whether or not Razer will endure ultimately means I cannot rank Series 3 any higher compared to arguably more reliable means of achieving the dream battle. However, its wedge shape and light armour will probably make to vulnerable to repeated crushes from the eventual World Champion. Playing next. Razer 18. Razer, for me. Razer could win if it got round Hypnos back/side and pierced it, as I can't see them ever letting up from there (plus they could very well destroy something important in there). Notably, Firestorm 3, despite being super vulnerable to being taken out by the spinner, somehow managed to survive and achieve a push seemingly capable of terminally damaging Hypno-Disc's electronics. This subreddit is dedicated to the discussion of Robot Wars and British combat robots, past or present! Both were voted the most destructive robots at one point and were due to battle, however both declined due to fear of severe damage. Then, it happened to get drawn against Razer, urgh. Perhaps if they knew that the dream battle would occur throughout the entire show, they would have made more effort. The website not only celebrated the heroic drivers and teams that ultimately failed, but was also one to highlight the times when even the best had disastrous races and/or seasons. Robot Wars Classics sees us look back at some of the best and most memorable battles in the show's history. Razer by the same point was pretty much one hundred percent, with none of the internal issues that cost it in the pre-100kg era. It's a fight that's been debated a lot over the years and one I've made my stance on before - Series 3 and 4, Hypno-Disc wins. But Bigger Brother is in fact a major factor for the second reason I cannot rank Series 5 any higher; it and Firestorm 3 cannot be trusted to enable this match to occur in both possible scenarios. Yes, I can see Razer causing some damage, but as we saw against a similar shape in Backstabber, nothing too serious. Hypno-Disc vs Robogeddon (Robot Wars battle) Report. 6 years ago | 12 views. Still, considering the dream bout would happen in the Grand Final Eliminators rather than the Grand Final itself, plus the fact Razer would easily defeat Thermidor 2, means the Series 4 opportunity ranks above the Series 6 counterpart. I think if they meet head on HD drives up the wedge without getting a proper hit anyway where they're an easy target for Razer. smuckle01 Posts: 171. Gravity 31. You must be logged in to vote. Meanwhile, both of Wild Thing and Pussycat's matches were compelling, as well as Razer vs Gemini, this battle proving that a good clusterbot can beat most crushers and challenge elite ones like Razer. Well, of course, things did go wrong. There were two main problems from what I gather; partly, because of the addition of seeds and the way the format was structured, Razer vs Hypno-Disc could only have occurred in the Grand Final. Perhaps they assumed Razer and Hypno-Disc would meet in the Series 5 Grand Final. Mute 28. I dunno how quick the spin up was at this point but if Razer gets to it before it's spun up quickly, then there's a good chance Razer's winning. 54. I for one would not back it against Stinger, for example. It's a good point, but the disc was often damaging before even fully spinning up I think? Hypno-Disc vs RaizerBlade vs Predator Series 4 Robot Wars Hypno-Disc is back with a srimech :D. You gotta love Predator in this video! Dave - Hypno-Disc in the early series may have struggled but the control and steering on the last machine would've meant we could've made sure that the disc always faced Razer. It's faster and more agile and only needs one successful attack to win, whereas Hypno Disc would probably need a few to immobilise Razer. Henceforth, the complete opposite of the Series 6 encounter would need to occur for Razer to win here, needing to play a perfect game in order to successfully grab, control and dominate Hypno-Disc without suffering too much damage. Extreme 1.well, I'd still be tempted to vote for Razer, but revelations have revealed it had hydraulic problems throughout its run of the All-Stars, which don't So chances are that Hypno-Disc would probably face 13 Black in a dream match on its own quite frankly. On paper, we were nowhere close to seeing the dream bout during Hypno-Disc's debut tournament, considering Razer's disastrous exit against Aggrobot in Round 2. Of all the opportunities to witness Razer vs Hypno-Disc, I am very surprised that this one is not talked about more. Yet, the first few collisions appeared to damage the spinner's mobility from then on. Which leads us to the big one - Hypno-Disc vs Razer. And even when it was more reliable come Series 5 and 6, Dominator 2 was even more well-designed to beat the crusher, with the wheels now protected. This might prove unpopular to some, but I genuinely believe Razer, despite still clearly being an "elite-tier" machine in Series 4, was more vulnerable to several opponents that in any other series. Has anyone heard of F1 Rejects (now Grand Prix Rejects)? Many thanks for reading my blog! Beast of Bodmin? Ever since I saw Heat E of the new series, this is all I wanted for the final. Whenever one thinks of a dream battle on Robot Wars that never happened, Razer vs Hypno-Disc usually tops many a fan's list, and that is to be expected. Spawn Again ruined this episode with these impressive flips. Sticking to this another Hypno-Disc fight that never aired or even happen was against Razer in something called the Peoples Challenge. Most fans will tell you its victory against Hypno-Disc was worth not ever getting a Hypno-Disc vs. Razer fight. It is not that Hypno-Disc cannot beat Razer at all, especially considering the issues 13 Black delivered to the crusher. Deathspin immobile hypnodisc vs lift off vs nighthawk. I personally believe this wouldve been a really good fight. Indeed, you may note that had Razer lost to Firestorm 3, we would have witnessed the dream battle occurring as the Third Place Playoff. Razer claw was very slow (hydraulic press i think) - but Razer itsself was very fast indeed Razer would have no problem at all wizzing around back of hypnodisc and wedging it's drive wheels off the ground totally immobilising hypnodisc - that would all happen within 30 seconds of the start bell - Razer then has all the time in the world to close the claw which simply mashed through anything The Steel Avenger 26. Well, a tough one, but there is one piece of evidence that leads me to backing Razer here. Chaos 2. And that leads to problem #2; Hypno-Disc was ultimately becoming outmatched by improved opposition. Certainly, Razer's armour and internals were more vulnerable to damaging opponents. I should note that I am fairly netural when it comes to Spawn Again, considering I found it alright, but nothing special compared to other flippers in the 100kg era. Indeed, while I must credit 13 Black for proving that it was indeed an All-Star in this heat, putting it against Chaos 2 and Razer just wasn't the same without Hypno-Disc being in that melee instead, even if Hypno-Disc could not achieve the same outcome as the roulette spinner. The disc also became coated in fake webbing before Black Widow's mobility completely ceased, however the disc didn't slow at all. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Mute - like the BBC, giving you the silent treatment, https://www.reddit.com/r/robotwars/comments/4vgy45/we_are_team_hypnodisc_ask_us_anything/. 1,979 Pages. The best quality of it yet, in glorious HD. The big question is imagine how they would fair as a tag team? Share. And also, is Robot Wars really a form of "sports entertainment", especially when compared to BattleBots? Skype name: jakemellorDBSFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/DevilboyScoobyYTDonate: http://bit.ly/1fcezY3 If it does, it is game over, considering the The main problem is that Hypno-Disc has to play a perfect game to ensure Razer cannot exploit its sides and crush the vulnerable top. So had Razer's technical gremlins not struck? Ewe 2 32. Now that is a whole different story. The Refbot eventually came in and counted out Black Widow, with its axe still swinging, and In the battle, after slowly seeking the spider based robot out, the flywheel weapon of Hypno-Disc tore several of the many legs off. level 2. Also, when considering Bigger Brother would later become a spinner-killer, this further reduces the possibility of the two machines meeting. Everyone here has had at least one dream battle. I think if they meet head on HD drives up the wedge without getting a proper hit anyway where they're an easy target for Razer. Wikis. Razer would have to manouver all the way to the side, it's never won against a big horizontal spinner before. Despite apparently being "nervous" to face Hypno-Disc according to the Official Guide, Team Make Robotics pulled off arguably their greatest victory until Behemoth beat Apollo in Series 10. This was discussed a little in the Hypnodisc AMA a while back if you want to check it out https://www.reddit.com/r/robotwars/comments/4vgy45/we_are_team_hypnodisc_ask_us_anything/, Depends if Razer can get behind Hypnodisc before it spins up. Sure, you might argue that Razer's successful World Championship and International League Championship campaigns debunk the idea Razer was a ticking timebomb for Series 3. But if this match ever happened, who would have won? Indeed, Razer just coming in, dominating in terms of ground clearance, a few crushes to nullify the flipper, job done. Playing next. Browse more videos. Well, there are two things that lead me to believe the dream bout could have occurred in the Quarter-Finals. Indeed, we meed to remember that this match is main event quality, and Round 2, even in the All-Stars competition, just won't do. Series 4 ranks marginally above Series 6, because Razer's run to meeting Hypno-Disc was slightly easier to achieve, but the key word being "slightly". Lightning. TV Show. So henceforth, if Pussycat couldn't prevent Razer vs Hypno-Disc, Dominator 2 certainly could. As detailed on the Razer website, the crusher's hydraulics were extremely prone to bursting, which would either prevent the weapon from working, or worse, the whole robot. Nothing against Hypno-Disc though, because very few machines could beat Razer even once, just ask Firestorm. Conversely, HD looks a very inviting shape for Razer to bite on. Possibly a different story if Razer messed up and allowed Hypno to get up to speed, but even then, I'd call it 50/50. Razer is far quicker and more manoeuvrable. Behemoth 23. This would be a great determiner of which legend shines brighter.Who would win? Battle-wise, it is a good episode, since the melees were action-packed and probably put an end to Chaos 2 and Hypno-Disc as "elite-tier" machines, whereas 13 Black vs Dominator 2 was somewhat surprising tussle seeing as the latter had an awful match against Hypno-Disc a year prior, while Razer had to sweat it out a bit against 13 Black and Firestorm 4 later on. Therefore, the Series 6 opportunity ranks bottom because there were just too many anti-Hypno-Disc machines standing in its way. Additionally, who would have won each battle had they occurred in that time period? Behemoth vs Hypno-Disc probably was not the highest rated potential dream battle, but hey, if Team Make Robotics claim that Behemoth is a tough old machine, where better than to prove this claim against Hypno-Disc? Shocking, it may seem, but this would arguably be an easier victory for Hypno-Disc than it would have been in Series 4. Forum Member. Indeed, not a whole lot of people believed Behemoth could beat the spinner, but clearly, it certainly was an effective spinner killer, until that breakdown against Disc-O-Inferno. Out of all the robots that could have beaten Razer, aside from Pussycat and a modified Tornado, Dominator 2 certainly must be considered. And that's the thing; if Behemoth died in one or two side-on blows against Disc-O-Inferno, then surely had Hypno-Disc been able to, it too would have achieved a knockout? Hypno-Disc 19. Well, I would easily back Hypno-Disc in that encounter! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Surely, if you think that they would wait until the Final of the Extreme 2 All-Stars, they would do the same here? Spawn Again 20. But what if it did overcome such opposition and thus faced Razer? Games Movies TV Video. Poll for Robot Wars fans: Hypnodisc VS Razer: Who would have won. It is just there were so many opportunities to see it occur, including ones where we were just one battle, or heck even one decision away from finally seeing this dream battle commence. So, had Razer lost or Hypno-Disc won? All three of those robots had the potential in them to easily take out the spinner in my opinion. 2:25. And here's the thing; Hypno-Disc was not a bad robot, it was not even actually "past its prime" as some would argue. the Disc avoided the pit against Bigger Brother. Anyhow, Series 3 is a bit of an oddball to say the least. Hypno-Disc will try, but ultimately, Razer has the clear advantage. Hypno-Disc Original Poster 4 years ago. Hypno-Disc's first fight of the Fifth Wars saw it go up against a 200 kg walkerbot called Black Widow. Has anyone noticed that Razer faced very few machines from Series 2-4 that could actually inflict damage to the crusher? The first reason concerns the campaigns both robots had. And the best opportunity to see this dream battle by a country mile was the ill-fated People's Challenge. Realistically I'd say Razer, as a die-hard Hypno fan. Steg-O-Saw-Us? Such a shame. In fact, in terms of design, engineering etc, Series 3 should arguably rank much higher in providing the dream battle, right? And Carbide is the most Simply: who would have won and why? 1:41. hypnodisc vs nighthawk Hypnodisc lost (forgot how) hypnodisc vs Deathspin. And, of course, there's Joe Watts being the show's quintessential Cheerful Child and a good roboteer in his own right. If it was a modernised Hypnodisc going up against the current Razer, I'd say Razer would win thanks to the new spinner-killer wedge attachment - which we never got to see in action.. ;_; If it turns out like 13 Black did then Hypno-Disc would win in a group fight where Razer may have its attention drawn, but it would lost in a direct head-to-head. Both great machines, but knowing the Razer team's usual tactics (and with Razer being the faster robot), Razer would be on top of Hypno's disc before it got up to speed - and would pierce straight through it. Add new page. Very easy robot to get underneath and crush, that lawnmower blade won't do anything against Razer. But even if Hypno-Disc beats 13 Black what if Razer is forced to face Dominator 2? Even if we ignore its Series 5 loss to the crusher, I really, really did not want to see another flipper to face Razer ever again by this point, since we know what will happen for the nine billionth time. Had they hotshot it to, say, the Semi-Finals, sure, they might achieve a temporary ratings boost, but not only would the Grand Final achieved much higher ratings had the battle occurred then, but also hotshotting often causes future episodes to stagnate in terms of ratings because the fans have seen it all. Why do I want it? Explore Wikis; Community Central; Start a Wiki; Search This wiki This wiki All wikis | Sign In Don't have an account? Seriously, I cannot believe that the producers just said "screw it, let's forget about it", and thus not make a serious effort to make the battle occur. Ultimately, if the duo had a best of seven, Razer would come out on top 4-3. Razer. The offer to pay any expenses the teams would need to make to repair their machines post-battle? It came so close to happening in Series 5 but Hypnodisc were beaten by Bigger Brother. The problem starts with it beating Hypno-Disc. Raw damage vs better reliability? This suggests that the Razer team have little experience going in when faced a legitimately powerful machine in terms of damage potential. But the main gripe I have is with this episode comes from Spawn Again. Hypno-Disc vs RaizerBlade vs Predator (Robot Wars Battle) Report. Sure, both outclassed their seemingly "better" opponents in Spawn Again and S3, and Firestorm 3 and Dominator 2 respectively, but even so, the fact their Series 5 campaigns were tougher than their Series 3 roads puts it at a disadvantage already. Hypno-Disc before the weight limit was increased definitely, If you see the damage that Razer suffered in it's first match against Pussycat it's clear that it would've been over pretty quickly in my opinion. To me, the fault does not lie with the two teams. Whether Hypnodisc can keep the disc pointed at Razer. It is possible, but considering how Bigger Brother and Firestorm 3 were able to outmaneuver Hypno-Disc in order to win their battles against it, what is there to stop Razer from doing the same? Perhaps a large payout to make the battle financially viable for both teams? Thermidor 2 27. If the producers somehow made this battle a reality? Series 4, clearly Pussycat and Attila the Drum. One problem: If Razer suffered mechanical issues against Aggrobot, how can we know for sure that the same issue will not occur against Blade, Beast of Bodmin or Steg-O-Saw-Us? Indeed, Razer and Hypno-Disc just needed one victory each in order for a clash to occur. Vote. Because of the flywheel's destr 4.1 Hypno-Disc (3) vs Firestorm 3 (7) 5 Final. If razer wouldn't get hit on the sides or from behind, I'd expect Razer to have a better chance winning over Hypno, especially as razer has a much faster point of rotation and is faster than Hypno as far as I know. There were dream matches galoe here, including 13 Black vs Hypno-Disc, Dominator 2 vs Razer, and even the battle of the Golddust trio in Chaos 2 vs Hypno-Disc vs Razer. Not only does it have a powerful and accurate axe, its v-shaped design is one of the toughest for Razer to grab and crush. Razer vs Hypno disc (one of the best battles we never got) Discussion. Hypno-Disc was vulnerable to lapses in control; its losses against Pussycat and Bigger Brother prove this. What could possibly go wrong? Henceforth, I will mainly concentrate on justifying why Series 5 only ranks third for the majority of this entry. Goldberg vs Hollywood Hogan was THE match that all WCW and probably most wrestling fans in general wanted to see back in the late 1990s. Even if Hypno-Disc did beat Tornado or Bigger Brother and Spawn Again, it still had the tough ask of beating either Dominator 2 or Terrorhurtz, and then Firestorm 4. A good hit or two on Razer, and I genuinely see the crusher breaking down. The 3rd wars Grand Final between a battered Hypno-Disc and worn out Chaos 2. It only ranks fifth as a result. But anyhow, if Razer was to defeat Pussycat somehow, it would easily defeat the non-damaging Thermidor 2. It did, achieving its highest ratings at the time. Hypno-Disc is the king of the Series 4 machines in terms of damage output. Register Start a Wiki. From then on in, it's gourmet lunchtime for Razer. Why did this battle need to exist? I just can't see razer allowing hypno to get a good hit on it. Even though it ultimately went one-sided, at least fans got to see who would win between a compact and extremely large flipper respectively. Then quite frankly, it would easily beat Razer. I just don't know! But if it occurs later on, an easy win for Razer is on the cards. I mean, if you want the Grand Final to be a ratings success on BBC 2, these are the two machines you having facing against each other. Well, it depends on when this battle takes place during the filming schedule. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Thats no Razor would have to do the old road block strategy by going striaght in straight out before that disc gets going if it could gt a grip of the disc or grab and control hypnodisk in a way where the disk was't able to hit anything then razor could grab and dump in the pit like it did with THz, otherwise hypnodisk provided it can keep the blade towards razor would severely dmg the wheels of Razor which have proven to be vulnerable to pussycat or bend the beak even, Id say hypnodisk has the better chance of succeeding. If Hypno-Disc landed some good hits on Razer then they could take it, but I also think that Razer's better maneuverability in combination with Ian Lewis' driving could well result in them taking a bite out of Hypno's butt. Aggrobot was pretty much beaten even if it survived to the end, had Razer not suffered that damn mechanical failure. 22/04/11 - 20:15 in UK TV Shows #1. Quite frankly, unless Hypno-Disc achieves an early knockout, the longer this battle goes on, the easier it will be for Razer to win. Hypnodisc's initial spin up. Still, if I were in the shoes of the producers, I would have done anything, ANYTHING, to get the teams to change their minds. But anyway, that's the justification for having Razer vs Hypno-Disc as the Grand Final to top all Grand Finals. Clearly, neither had an easy path to the Grand Final compared to Series 3. Razer vs Hypno disc vs Chaos 2. But here is something that some Razer supporters might have ignored that for me at least, swings this over to a Hypno-Disc victory. Basically this was something where the fans would vote on which battle they wanted to see and the winning battle was Hypno-Disc vs Razer. Big Nipper gave Razer an almighty scare, whereas Hypno-Disc was initially troubled by both Atomic and Bulldog Breed 3. Quite frankly, I even struggle to see Razer even surviving to a Judges' decision! Particularly, how many connections did Extreme 1 have with professional wrestling, when both robot combat and wrestling were at the height of their popularities? Henceforth, I highly, highly doubt that Razer vs Hypno-Disc would have been a disappointment for the most part, making it a dream battle that likely would be one to remember among most Robot Wars fans. Blade meanwhile? Essentially, I feel that this battle could have main evented at any time in Extreme 1 due to the randomised cards, thus being a major draw irrespective of when it occurred. Razer's technical gremlins make a very possible dream battle somewhat less possible. Stinger 24. But of course, Series 5 outranks Series 3, because all we needed to see occur was Hypno-Disc beating Bigger Brother, rather than having Razer win four more matches. Zecoroyoh. It's faster and more agile and only needs one successful attack to win, whereas Hypno Disc would probably need a few to immobilise Razer. Both are capable of winning, but I'm going to go for Razer. Pulsar might have reliability issues, but I love them nonetheless. Hypno-Disc is at its best particularly in Series 5, as shown by its devastation of Bigger Brother, and Razer is just hitting its prime.

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